Rudy Giuliani got into a fierce debate with a CNN host Monday night on the subject of giving an apology to President Donald Trump for insinuating he was guilty of conspiring with the Russians for two years before Trump was cleared over the weekend.
During an appearance on "Cuomo Prime Time," Giuliani told host Chris Cuomo he owes Trump an apology.
"You guys have tortured this man for two years with collusion and nobody has apologized for it," Giuliani said. "Before we talk about obstruction, apologize."
Cuomo replied, "Not a chance."
Giuliani then accused the host of being unfair to Trump. Cuomo pushed back, and Giuliani continued.
"No, I'm outraged. Collusion, collusion, collusion. No collusion, Chris.
"Apologize."
Cuomo said, "Never. . . . I didn't do anything wrong. These questions are real. They needed to be regarded as such."
"How about this network should apologize?" Giuliani said.
"I don't apologize for the network," Cuomo said.
Giuliani added he feels The Washington Post and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., should also convey their apologies to Trump.
Later in the interview, the pair was discussing the fact special counsel Robert Mueller could not come to a conclusion on whether Trump should be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. Cuomo said he would like to know what got Mueller so hung up he could not make a decision.
"This obstruction theory is garbage," Giuliani said.
The former New York City mayor said he debated with Mueller's investigators on the obstruction issue before the investigation was closed.
"They have a crazy theory that if the president was thinking about obstruction, that constitutes obstruction," he said. "Well, first of all, the president wasn't thinking about obstruction and secondly, [Mueller prosecutor Andrew] Weissmann is out of his mind because if people get prosecuted for what they're thinking — if somebody said, I think I might want to kill that guy because he was mean to me . . ."
Cuomo interrupted and asked, "But doesn't he mean formulation of intent? Corrupt intent?"
"No, that's why he says there's no obstructive intent," Giuliani said. "It has to come out of my mind and be conveyed to somebody. It never happened."
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